Death of the classical music industry

Go through the link…..

http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/sep/29spec.htm

I am going to check out the credentials of the people who wrote it.

(Arati Menon Carroll & Shobhana Subramanian)
It is high time these writers and journalists get warned and should write anything after atleast doing some kind of homework or keep there opinion with themselves.

Anurag’s Comment on the same:

Manyawar, Namaskar

It is INDEED a fact that Classical Music is DEAD today. I am sorry to say so BUT it is the basic fact that we need to realize. Todays, new-coming so-called classical experts don’t know even what is the basic purpose of Classical Music. Why was it made? What is the real power of classical music and also what is the basic target of claasical music. I am NOT any great Classical Music expert but I got this very fact when while my in-depth research work on Music Therapy.

Do you know about Music Therapy? You will be amazed to know that the great experts of Classical Music from ITC SRA Kolkata DO NOT know any thing about Music Therapy!!!!!!!
They say it is beyond their understanding!!!!!!

If you make an in-depth study of Music Therapy, you will agree with me…..

My Reply for Anurag’s post:

Hello Friend,

First of all I would like to thank you for the scrap ,for pro-actively raising the issue –infact a very important issue and throwing out the question to a fellow researcher of Indian Classical Music and Performing Arts in India.

1.Classical Music is not dead and indeed never would be. There are abundance of young classical musicians coming up who are disciplined, are sincere ,creative and are more talented then there were students in any generation.

And yeah I have the data to support this that I Would love to share with you in future course of time.

This has also been my observation for the last 20 years (FYI, I am into learning , teaching and performing classical Music for the last 20 years).For the same fortunately I have been involved in classical music circles in Goa(1 year), was in Pune(3 years),Mumbai(2 years),Delhi (2 years),Bengaluru(2 years),Kolkata( 1 year), and Madhya Pradesh(7 years) and have found that Classical Music exponents , listeners are at a all time high, the only grey part is that externally the people are not coming to understand and realize this and the major reason for this is less coverage given by the media, newspapers ,television and radio .

You call it Vocal Classical- there are plenty of finer students and performers who are achieving higher goals (plenty of them-numerous),instrumentalists in every field sitar,tabla,sarod,santoor from cities like Pune,Delhi,Kolkata,Mumbai,Chennai.Hyderabad and others also.

The new generation is very creative, innovative ,energetic and aware because of the plenty of resources coming for their aid like music softwares,internet,orkut,youtubes,websites and systems etc.

2.The basic purpose of music was never known to anyone.Infact no body even knew that who and how was the classical music created.There have been plenty of schools of thoughts that suggests that Lord Shiva created the music, and some scriptures tell that Lord Ganesha was the creator .Samveda also talks about the origin of the music and considering the Bharat’s Natyshastra’s and Sangeet Ratnakara’s definition –“Ranjayati Iti raag”, means “That which entertains is music”.

Then there were the origins of the different categories of the music – like Kawwali,Dhrupad,Khayal,Bhajans,Thumri,Tappa etc(historically in the same sequence).

In Hindu mythology it is said that : Shiva produced the Khayal style,Krishna gave raise to Semi classical tradition,Hanuman started Dhrupad and Ganesha with the instrumental music.

Again in some realistc sense the history of Classical Music goes back to the vedic period(what is that and how long is that is again a matter of debate).

3.And if you think that if someone is unaware of Classical Music Therapy then he is ignorant about the basic purpose of classical music then friend you are stuck.

To enjoy,practice and play with classical music I don’t think that you must be taught about how and why it is made(the answer of which is known to on-one ).It Is recommended and but definitely not essential or a must.

Yep,healing is just one of the effects of the Indian Classical Music and nothing else, and this is again a topic for much debate, because the medicine for a specific person may not be suitable for the other.

For me a solving a mathematical puzzle would be a great pain reliever than taking a Pain Killer or listening to a hamsadhvani .

Again for that matter every subject will have its own healing effects and that is the reason there are so many therapies in resence:Reiki,Radiosonic,Telepathy,Unani,Ayurvedic,Homoeopathic,Biochemic,Acupuncture,Acupressure and Astrology as well and so on.

If you are using the Music as therapy then it is better till the patient is practicing it himself rather than listening to it because in the second case it will be merely similar to the other therapies mentioned above.

I would always abstain from all the above therapies in which one has to depend upon the external resources and music therapy of the second type also comes into the same category.

I am writing about the musical therapy after understanding the same and always categorically say that any kind of process of curing oneself should be applied by oneself and by not applying any external forces or the mediums.

4.At last I would say that you seem to be a bit negative with a wrong reason that people don’t know about the Indian Classical Music Therapy therefore they are zero in it .I would say that it is trivial as the gigantic musical tradition has created a just smaller application out of itself.

And Indian Classical will grow and more so in near future once it is realized that media and other agents have to play some more active role for the same.

32 thoughts on “Death of the classical music industry”

  1. I again challenge you to play along with a computer mentronome….. If you win, I will follow you through out my life. And if I win then……………….Ha ha ha, Uncle ji, You will have to put your whole life for Music Therapy…Do you have GUTS to accept my challenge????????My contact number.. Mb: 09236104497Jai HindAnurag Agrawal “The Musical Jehadi”

  2. As far as human being is concerned, it is a living body that has been made ny ALL Mighty GOD to work with hard work and honestly. This is what where 99% of the so-called human beings FAIL.As far as your question of why we need external thing like metronome is concerned, do you know that every kind of knowledge is already present with in the human being right from his/her birth????? even then we need a GURU, to show us light to follow the basic path to our life. Now you will ask, why we need GURU???? We DO need it…In the same way, metronome works like a GURU that is “Marg Darshak” for a music practice. It is a GURU. But it is beyond your perception…..I have been studying your scarp messages that you write seriously. The basic problem with you is that you are a mental sick person. Try to accept it my dear uncle ji….You do NOT want to change yourself according to the technology, just like ditry GHARANAS made on purpose in the Indian Classical Music.. What is this damn GHARANA????

  3. What is this damn GHARANA???? Is classical music the “JAAGIR” of any bodies father?????? Then what rubbish is GHARANA.???A GHARANA is nothing but Maafia… just like dawood gharana, chhota shakil gharana, laden gharana etc. This is the dirty gharana that has devasted today the classical music..Any way, uncle ji, these things are beyond your perception as you don’t have the GUTS to face the real challege????Do you know about the effects of Tabla on the Human Brain???? NO NOT at all. You are just SC/ST OBC of music!!!!!!! Try to upgrade your knowledge uncle ji…Also while posting my messages for public view, do NOT forget to put my mobile number as well. i.e. 09236104497. I do NOT fear to face public.Three months ago, our work on music thearpy was covered ny all the satellite channels like ZEE TV, Zee News India TV etc…. it was telecast on all the channels for public view. And the final result was the whole of the public today is with us.

  4. Three months ago, our work on music thearpy was covered ny all the satellite channels like ZEE TV, Zee News India TV etc…. it was telecast on all the channels for public view. And the final result was the whole of the public today is with us. We have got offers for our special program on music therapy from all over the country.. And we are going for it….If you are also have GUTS to face the real public and to solve the basic problems of publec through music then you are most welcome and if you like to live in the same “Koop Mandook” i.e. the “frog of well” just Indian GHARANAS, then just go to hell……Do post this messge for public review.. of course with my mobile number….. 09236104497Jai HindAnurag Agrawal

  5. ONLY Stupids and idiots accept the destiny. The real men have the GUTS to make destiny follow them. i.e. King Vikramaditya. Have you heard his name? Perhaps NOT..Therapy is necessary. As man is nothing but an Animal with two legs. It is the therapy that keeps man on track of being Spiritual Being…. Remember therapy does not just means taking pills etc. It is basically precaution…. And that is where music thearpy comes in…. understand???? of course NOT!!The real human is the person who has the GUTS to do his/her work with hard work and honest way. The real human always tries to solve tthe problems of others, not to become a problem for others…In the same way, Indian Clasical Music has been made to solve the problem of others BUT the dirty GHARANAS i.e. (Baap kaa raaj!!!!) have made it problem for human being??Did Swami Haridas belong to any gharana?? Did Tansen was from any gharana??? Was Baiju Baawara from any damn gharana?? NO NOT AT ALL.

  6. It is the todays impotent so called classicals experts who made this dirty gharana system i.e. “Mafia of Classical Music”?Has even a single expert from todays so -called great gharana based classical music got GUTS to make it rain or make a “Deepak” start giving flames with their vocal or playing???? NO NOT ALL.They ONLY know two things-1. Paan Chewing2. “Enjoy” in case of girls in classical music field to feed thier “hunger”.YES it is todays classical music!!!! my year uncle ji…DO post it where ever you post with my mobile number- 09236104497Jai HindAnurag Agrawal

  7. Please first do some music ,channelize your thought process ,do riyaaz , do practice.I doubt that after that you will ever talk of Therapies then.You vulnerable,impatient,peace less soul or stupid,idiot -animal..

  8. So you think that you can teach others about Music Therapy who himself needs some kind of therapy (I don’t suggest) to fix his elementary muscles.You himself are saying that you are an animal.Others may not ;)And you boast of your collaboration with those Zee media people who are themselves are the greatest threat to music, and are ready to broadcast anything on the name of SANSANI or the CHATPATI.And why not ..yes your personality and behavior would have been of more interest to them than anyother .. leave alone the music.And you say that only stupids and idiots follow the others and give me the example of Vikramaditya,Tansen,Baiju Bawra.Then tell me who is idiot and stupid and who is following?You don’t even have the basic etiquettes of how to respect the stalwarts in arts or for that matter anyother stream and you start off with claiming something.Claiming what ? Probably this that you are an animal,idiot and stupid!!!

  9. Bhai saheb ji,Jai Ram ji kiThanks to GOD that some body call me animal!!!!!As I think, it is far more better to be an animal than being a man like you!!! OK…The mentally sick, impotent persons like you have today become a blot on the forehead of classical music.I had given you a challenge. Why don’t you have GUTS to accept it and face me…. Because you feel fear from me….Who the hell has taught you classical music?? Ask that stupid person to give you the GUTS face the real challenges…And remember, have GUTS to prove your words than barking like a DOG…. or classical DOG!!!!!!!Do accept my challenge if you have really got GUTS.You had told me that I fear to face the public. Uncle ji, I don’t fear as I know I am right. I have got SOLID proof for my words.You wil nothing by calling me stupid , idiot or animal. As you know that one gets nothing if he spits on the sky. It will return to him.

  10. You will get nothing by calling me stupid , idiot or animal. As you know that one gets nothing if he spits on the sky. It will return to him.I again CHALLENGE that you are a classical IDIOT. Do accept it if you you have got real guts. And if not then just get lost from the field of classical music. So that other may get some healthy things not rubbish like you.Now how to put a challenge????It will be in WRITTEN ON THE STAMP PAPER with my and your photo. I will call whole media to cover the event and it will be telecast on the whole media.Are you ready for it???? Have discussions with the idiots who have taught you….I have downloaded your details from the net. I will make a page on my web site http://antardhwani.tripod.com with your photo and will claim that you are a classical idiot. Then I will send this information to all the concerned persons from all over the world so that persons may come to know what kind of idiots are present today in the field of classcial music in India.

  11. I will inform you soon about the web page as I made it.Till thenHave fun dear……Jai HindAnurag AgrawalMb:09236104497

  12. I will definitely let you know about the final dates when it gets finalized. You will have to come there in the university and prove your disbelieve in Medical Sciences or on any kind of therapy.Are you READY???? Give me your contact deatils.Anurag Agrawal

  13. And yeas you are afraid ,dearly scared.You again have deleted all those scraps ..Dear friend you don’t have GUTS to accept it…And this time I say JAI HIND..You are really an animal with whom I would not like to carry any furher discussion and close the thread.Get some humanity oand spirituality in your behaviour and I’ll come to Lucknow to talk on Therapies and Classical Music!!!!!

  14. And dear friend you dearly get disqualified for anykind of discussion to be taken forward…Again and again I say—Have some patience to understand the others(It was you who appraoached me and not me for whatever means, right and started boasting yourself!!!).Repecr your elders ,I am too smaller than you but may be it is good idea to respect Musicians who have owed their whole life to it!!From your writings it seems that you have not came across any one but believe me there are plenty …yeah aplenty….

  15. Hello …1.I never said that you are an animal,you only have said that you think you are an animal and I am just repricing the same.2.I always think that from the birth Humans are Spiritual objects and it is only the external resources that makes us the animals .Yeah….And that is it!!!This is what I think,and that was the reason I disbelieve in therapies or even a meteronome for that matter.3.I think there are plenty of Classical Musician who have done great and going to do great work in the furure.The new generation students are just fantastic.And anyays as you know the classical music condition is not good in INdia and world over hence rather than making their life further difficult I think the better appraoch would have been to say that –“Classical Music for therapies ” and not “Classical Music only for therapies….”I hope you understand it!!!

  16. 1. First of all I will congratulate you that ultimately you did say “Jai Hind”.2. Yes I deleted some of your scraps from my book. Why? Because, I don’t like to collect “Rubbish like you” with me.3. As far as your lecture on getting some humanity and spirituality is concerned, first of all tell me, who had started all this battle? You– yes you Uncle ji, You first call me a Jehadi as I said “Jai Hind”, Now you are also saying Jai Hind”. Will I call you Jehaadi??? No NOT at all. I will pray to all mighty GOD you and other Indians keep on saying this whole life….4. I am in touch with Bhatkhande University to get the event finalized. I will inform you if it gets finalized. You are most welcome to deliver your talks.In the mean time, I will suggest that you MUST make some deep study of Music Therapy.You did not give your contact details?OK Keep in touch..Anurag Agrawal

  17. And again you are going to delete this scrap of mine .Are you afraid ,scared of what???That people should not know that you are a jehadi for a nonsense.Face it dear….We can talk on Homoeopath,Acupuncture,Acupressure,Allopathy,Chemistry,Physics,Maths,Ayurveda ,Sushrut,Charak,Varahmihir,astrology,aryabhatta for therapies if this is where you are comfortable with to argue Therapies about!!!But please don’t include Music in the scenario.You need to learn your basics before spreading the beauty and peace in Music Therapies.

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